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      Hi Martin & Charles …

      Would be interested RE your comments on todays INSIGHT comment in the SCMP by Thomas Jefferson. What do you think?

      Tom Bowman

      Post edited by: Martin, at: 2007/01/23 21:11

      #7853

      Hi Tom:

      I think Dr Jefferson is broadly correct re the dolphins (saying LNG terminal won’t have real impact on them, or on finless porpoise): some years ago, I went out on survey boat with him in waters north of Lantau, and judged him a good-excellent scientist. (Around that time, were some over-the-top predictions re the dolphins, such as would not last beyond 1997 or thereabouts; Dr Jefferson’s more level-headed pronouncements proved more accurate.)

      But, I still don’t believe the LNG terminal at the Sokos is justified: will be destructive to a still lovely area, with good marine ecology (not just dolphins, tho they are being used as flagship species).
      As noted above, there are alternatives; Black Point among them – where there has already been considerable env harm, including power station already in place.
      – Can’t really say Dr Jefferson is objective in this regard, ie re merits of LNG terminal itself. I rather felt that his byline should have said something like, “Dr Thomas Jefferson, who has been handsomely paid by ExxonMobil-CLP partnership, which is keen on the Sokos option”.
      (If not paid handsomely, too bad: EIA work for developer of project like this should be well rewarded – which for some can mean that objectivity is lost: indeed, the EIA [not section re dolphins] reportedly has artist’s impressions showing LNG tanks looking prominent at Black Point, yet somehow fuzzier and fainter at the Sokos.
      It’s a fundamental problem with EIAs, really: funded by wannabe developers, so I think can be tendency for Who Pays the Piper, Calls the Tune. At times, can be horrendously skewed in favour of developments. I write this having done a little EIA work; tried for objectivity.)

      馬丁

      Post edited by: Martin, at: 2007/01/23 21:25

      Post edited by: Martin, at: 2007/01/24 16:03

      #7854

      Having read the INSIGHT article, I think his last paragraph he wrote was a little desperate..something along the lines of dolphins breathing the same air as we do, and therefore justification for building the LNG Terminal at the Sokos to reduce air pollution.
      There is much more to the Sokos than just dolphins..though as MW said they were the Handover Mascot in 1997 and are Hong Kong’s flagship species.

      What we all need to understand, including Dr. Jefferson is the CUMULATIVE Impacts of all these western HK projects that are slowly taking way dolphin habitat, not just looking at the merits of single project EIAs.
      The airport, Disneyland, Aviation Facility, Lantau Zuhai Bridge, Container Terminal CT10, Logistics Park, LNG Terminal..the list goes on.
      About time this indecisive government started taking these public consultations more seriously and becoming more transparent. CF

      Post edited by: Martin, at: 2007/01/24 16:05

      #7855
      匏名

        Thanks for the prompt reply and you both confirmed my worst suspicions …. it’s a case of a death of a thousand cuts … RE Charles comments.

        The article was – as you say Martin – informed and reasonable but also verging on, in my opinion, unrealistic in the broader terms re the impact this project would have.

        A right of reply should be taken up.

        問候

        湯姆

        Post edited by: Martin, at: 2007/01/24 16:06

        #7856
        Pinky

          As printed in Jan. 24th SCMP (this is the unedited version)

          Whilst WWF’s petition does indeed ask us to urge the government not
          to let the Chinese White Dolphins (aka pink dolphins) become extinct,
          I do not think they- or anyone else- are suggesting that Exxon-CLP’s
          proposed LNG terminal at the Sokos will in itself kill off the
          dolphins. (“Greens exaggerating impact on dolphins, says expert”,
          Jan. 22nd).
          However we do believe that this project would be yet another nail in
          the dolphins’ coffin – as even
          Exxon-CLP hired hand marine biologist Thomas Jefferson admits, it is the
          cumulative impact of all the past and future development in the
          Lantau area that concerns us. It is patronising to say we do not
          understand the mitigation measures. We do – but we also understand the long
          term effects of rampant development and loss of fishing grounds and
          habitat.
          Dr Jefferson also claims (Jan. 23rd) that the 40 km pipeline would have only a short term and relatively minor
          impact on the dolphins – what does this mean? Not too many dead, so it doesn’t matter? And how will this work
          alongside the Airport Authority’s proposal for a facility storing 400,000 cubic metres of oil near Tuen Mun, with another pipeline dredged through the same area, to the fuel facility at Sha Chau?
          Every time an EIA is done in Hong Kong, it is done in a bubble and no
          one – on land or at sea- ever seems to look at the cumulative effect
          of say, an airport, a theme park, a gas terminal, a bridge to Macau,
          more container terminals (the list goes on and on) in the dolphins’
          habitat. Just as with human habitat, the government seems beholden to
          developers and other big businesses, without a thought for those who
          have to live with the consequences of their decisions.
          Of course we all want clean air, of course this would benefit both
          people and dolphins, but, as been stated over and over, there is no
          need to allow Exxon-CLP to to ride roughshod over an area that was
          proposed as a marine park, with cleaner air as a justification. One
          LNG terminal is not going to clear the air over night either. There
          is not even any need for this facility to be built in Hong Kong-
          Black Point might be a slightly preferable location dolphin-wise, but
          the mainland would be better for all of us, consumers included-
          except of course for the energy companies who stand to profit by
          keeping their investment within Hong Kong.

          Janet walker
          香港海豚觀察

          #7857

          中電在這一潛在環境犯罪中的合作夥伴埃克森美孚一直是資助團體的主要惡棍,這些團體在全球變暖的重要性上迷惑了美國公眾(本月宣布了可能的變化,因此從現在開始此類資助可能[遠遠]減少)。

          有幾個反埃克森美孚的網站和網頁。
          網站包括:
          曝光埃克森美孚 – 您可以在其中找到大量新聞,例如標題為“埃克森發現資助假新聞”的新聞
          主頁頂部寫著:

          引用:
          作為世界上最賺錢的公司之一,埃克森美孚有能力推動世界走向更加可持續的能源未來。相反,埃克森美孚通過阻止阻止全球變暖的努力、資助生產垃圾科學和有關全球變暖的虛假信息的前沿團體、拒絕投資可再生能源和 遊說在美國最敏感地區進行鑽探.

          – 似乎很難有一家公司能夠將香港最好的沿海地區之一的未來託付給它。

          #7858

          Just seen email saying:

          引用:
          The planning, construction and cost of an LNG terminal for Teeside UK, was scrapped since LNG tankers now convert the gas on board*
          A terminal at the Soko Islands is thus superseded by advances in technology.
          Storage provision can be made elsewhere.

          (*This was reported in the Nov/Dec, edition of the Energy Institute’s magazine Energy World – citing actions to supply UK’s needs)

          Just googled, quickly.

          From BBC news:

          引用:
          The Teesside project is unique in Europe because the LNG is warmed up and turned into gas while still onboard Excelerate’s specially-designed tankers, before the gas is pumped directly into Britain’s gas network.

          The company says this avoids the need to build a terminal on land.

          Port welcomes first gas delivery

          More info, especially on the vessel, includes:

          引用:
          Excelsior will regasify the LNG onboard and pump the natural gas directly into the UK national grid via a special high-pressure manifold connection.

          On arrival at GasPort, LNGRVs will utilise a shore-mounted, high-pressure gas arm to connect the vessel’s midships manifold with the shore pipeline.

          A small aboveground station at the site enables pressure control, metering and nitrogen blending to be carried out.

          Tees set to become second LNG receiving port in UK

          Naturally, we can anticipate some reasons why this just isn’t possible out here.
          CLP/Exxon nearly have their hands on all the extra money they can make via terminal in HK, so not about to let from their grasp just now I think.

          #7859

          這是我在2月15日寄給SCM Post編輯的一封信(回覆說他們剛剛收到了兩封類似的信,要發表。我的信沒有出現;只是編輯了一下並重新發送)。

          尊敬的先生:

          閱讀《星期日早報》雜誌上關於埃克森美孚持續努力混淆全球暖化科學資訊的文章很有趣。最近,這些努力包括向願意強調聯合國政府間組織最新報告缺點的科學家提供 10,000 美元氣候變遷專門委員會( IPCC)。

          國際綠色和平組織指責埃克森美孚對臭名昭著的埃克森·瓦爾迪茲漏油事件的影響進行“蓄意的虛假信息宣傳”,該事件是埃克森美孚油輪於1989 年在阿拉斯加擱淺時發生的。儘管埃克森美孚試圖淡化影響,但這只是其中之一。海上發生的最大的人為環境災難。

          那麼,我們可能想知道,埃克森美孚是否適合與中電合作在索科斯群島建造液化天然氣接收站,從而破壞香港最美麗的沿海地區之一。我們已經看到了埃克森美孚式的虛假信息:正如查爾斯·弗魯(Charles Frew) 的一封信中指出的那樣,一則宣傳該碼頭的廣告展示了一張虛假圖片,其中有一幅超現實的場景:珊瑚海底上有兩隻中華白海豚和一群藍條紋鯛魚。

          最近的廣告展示了田園風光——這在香港肯定是找不到的。還有一個隱含的威脅──就好像沒有液化天然氣接收站,香港就不會有乾淨的空氣。也許我們應該害怕說「是」。

          似乎在急於傷害索科家族並提高中電和埃克森美孚(已經是世界上最賺錢的公司之一)的利潤的過程中,很少有人關注替代方案。例如,液化天然氣可以從附近的中國大陸供應。

          同樣有趣的是,英國最近取消了在蒂賽德建造液化天然氣接收站的計畫。相反,技術的進步使得液化天然氣可以在船上轉化為天然氣。然後通過“一個小型地上站,可以進行壓力控制、計量和氮氣混合”,將其輸送到天然氣供應系統中。

          因此,香港的液化天然氣接收站可能不僅對環境有害。它也可能在建成之前就已經過時了。

          此致,
          馬丁·威廉姆斯博士

          上面的沒有出現;我隨後寫了第三封信(如下),並發布了該信的編輯版本。

          儘管索科群島對大多數香港人來說似乎是看不見的、心不在焉的,但最近寫給編輯的信表明,人們對埃克森-中電在其中一個島嶼建設液化天然氣(LNG)接收站的計劃仍然感到擔憂。

          ??寫道,他從飛機上看到了這些島嶼,在南側,它們似乎已經被摧毀了。然而,雖然他可能見過索科群島,但他所描述的工業發展和採石破壞發生在香港郊外的附近島嶼上。索科斯群島大部分地區仍然是綠色的,而且相對野生,正如作者的觀察所表明的那樣,這在中國南方島嶼中是不尋常的。

          在「委員會的範圍有限」一文中,寫信人約翰·斯科菲爾德指出,環境諮詢委員會並未考慮與該航站樓相關的所有問題。隨後的一封信建議他閱讀 ACE 最近一次會議的記錄。

          我讀過這些會議記錄,並指出 ACE 無法討論「環境影響評估條例範圍之外的問題,包括該項目的需要和理由、香港以外的替代供應來源以及土地使用界面」——因此範圍確實有限。

          似乎在急於傷害索科家族並提高中電和埃克森美孚(已躋身世界上最賺錢的公司之列)的利潤的過程中,很少有人關注替代方案。例如,液化天然氣可以從附近的中國大陸供應。

          同樣有趣的是,英國最近取消了在蒂賽德建造液化天然氣接收站的計畫。相反,技術的進步使得液化天然氣可以在船上轉化為天然氣。然後通過“一個小型地上站,可以進行壓力控制、計量和氮氣混合”,將其輸送到天然氣供應系統中。

          因此,香港的液化天然氣接收站可能不僅對環境有害。它也可能在建成之前就已經過時了。

          貼文編輯:Martin,發佈於:2007/04/03 18:41

          #7860

          After piffling public debate (how much did you see re the issues?), and very fast process, govt has given CLP – ExxonMobil green light for harming the Sokos and surrounding waters.

          Govt has made requirement re environment, however: CLP – ExxonMobil need to have a committee to oversee environmental aspects. That should make them tremble in the boardrooms – I don’t think (can imagine them laughing now, and getting ready for the inflows of money).

          Bah! :sick:

          #7861

          Though it seems inevitable that CLP-Exxon will soon set about harming the Soko Islands, the Living Islands Movement has released a position paper, arguing that Hong Kong doesn’t need an LNG terminal (scroll well down for Chinese version):

          引用:
          LNG Receiving Terminal: An Unnecessary Scheme

          The Living Islands Movement

          概括

          1. Will CLP¡¦s proposed Liquified Natural Gas (LNG) terminal help bring us Blue Skies?

          NO, because LNG fuels the smaller part of CLP’s generating capacity, CLP will still have up to 60% of its capacity burning Coal as before. If all generation were to be switched to gas, it would help – but this is not being proposed nor is it feasible.

          2. So what could bring us Blue Skies then?

          Rapid installation of the long-delayed Flue Gas Desulphurization (FGD) equipment will cut 95% of the pollution from coal burning.

          3. Where will Hong Kong get the gas needed for the generating capacity that can use it?

          New gas supplies are becoming available from LNG terminals nearby in South China. HK Electric is already hooked up to one of these!
          The existing supplier to CLP, CNOOC, states that it can extend the life of the Yacheng gas field, with some new investment.

          4. So who would gain from this unnecessary scheme?

          CLP and its partner, ExxonMobil, which owns 60% of the generating plant, are the only beneficiaries.
          They get to extend their monopolies in electricity generation and distribution to include the sole control of importation and processing of LNG. The EU Competition Commission has been particularly scathing about the anti-competition activities of vertically integrated energy companies and called for their unbundling;
          They get to add HK$8.0 billion or more to their asset base, on which they obtain guaranteed, risk-free profits paid for by Hong Kong consumers under the Scheme of Control.

          5. And who would be the losers?

          Hong Kong Consumers will lose, because they would have to pay for it through the Scheme of Control.
          Hong Kong would also pay heavily in terms of damage to its Natural Heritage if an intrusive industrial plant is built in scenic South Lantau.
          LNG Receiving Terminal: An Unnecessary Scheme

          The Castle Peak Company (CAPCo), owned by ExxonMobil and CLP (60/40), proposes to build a LNG receiving terminal in Hong Kong. They have found that the only site suitable for this in Hong Kong is on the Soko islands off Lantau.

          This paper draws from the facts that are publicly available and that concludes the only beneficiary will be ExxonMobil. The effects on Hong Kong will be to destroy a part of our dwindling natural heritage and a likely increase in electricity prices. The project has nothing to do with ‘bringing blue skies’.

          CAPCo¡¦s case is unfounded

          – LNG supplies from China will be coming on line in a time frame comparable to that of building a terminal. Hong Kong Electric has already laid a 93 km pipeline to Guangdong and recently started to use it. No reason has been given for not following this example;
          – the need for a replacement gas supply for Black Point Power Station (BPPS) is unproven. The owners of the Yacheng field which currently supplies BPPS, CNOOC, advise that the field’s life can be extended by investing in new wells;
          – additional generation is not needed because demand-side growth within Hong Kong is almost non-existent and likely to fall;
          – an LNG facility will not significantly improve air quality, nor help CAPCo reach proposed new air quality targets, as it is impossible to easily dispense with coal that currently accounts for 60% of CAPCo¡¦s generating capacity in Hong Kong;
          – By far the greater effect on pollution will be the installation of FGD (Flue Gas Desulphurization) plant which is starting soon and will come into use during 2009 – 2011. This will reduce the pollution from coal burning to 5% of the current level. The delay in installing the FGD plant by CAPCo has not been explained;
          – The ¡§LNG for Blue Skies¡¨ advertisements by CLP appear to be intended only to mislead both the public and the government;
          – CAPCo can meet the proposed new 2010 emission standards by a combination of:
          £U accelerating the FGD installation at Castle Peak coal fired station currently in progress;
          £U reducing external sales to China;
          £U purchasing power from China;
          £U assisting to curb the demand side (eg, Australia is to ban incandescent lamps).

          Alternate LNG supplies for BPPS

          The options for supply of gas to BPPS include:-
          – extending the life of the existing supply from Yacheng. The field owners CNOOC advise that this is readily achievable. This is the simplest option and capitalizes on existing infrastructure.
          – obtaining supply from the Sinopec Zhuhai Receiving Terminal. This is being sited on an island off Zhuhai, a similar distance to BPPS as the Sokos. Sinopec say that they can build the capacity by 2012, and have deliberately sited the terminal to facilitate supply to BPPS by submarine pipeline.
          – obtaining supply from the Shenzhen Receiving Terminal at Dapeng near Mirs Bay. Phase 1 of the terminal has been commissioned, and supplies inter alia, unit 9 at Hong Kong Electric¡¦s power station at Lamma. Phase 2 at Dapeng which has yet to commence, has substantial planned capacity, and pipelines already in hand will bring the gas to Shekou, very close to BPPS from whence a short submarine pipeline could reach BPPS.

          Economics and Governance

          The following situations will be created if the project goes ahead:
          – Extension of CAPCo’s existing generation and distribution monopolies into the supply of LNG. The EU Competition Commission has been very scathing about the anti-competition activities of vertically integrated energy companies and called for their unbundling;
          – an uneven playing field in which CAPCo is, literally, given a potentially lucrative Hong Kong terminal without due process involving open competition;
          – an unbreakable monopoly because acceptance of CAPCo’s Environmental Impact Assessment means that the last remaining place to build a terminal – Soko islands – will have been taken;
          – CAPCo¡¦s use of the Scheme of Control (SoC) to obtain generous returns on fixed assets within HK, encourages and rewards massive capital investment ($8 Billion for the Sokos terminal) and discourages the use of cost-effective off-shore options;
          – the further destruction of HK’s natural heritage for the benefit of a foreign owned company;
          – whilst no ‘business plan’ has been shown in public, the information that is available strongly suggests that the project will result in electricity prices that are higher than all the alternatives.

          The Sokos (claimed to be tbe only place to build it):

          – are a group of relatively unspoiled islands off highly scenic South Lantau;
          – are intended, in the government public debated 2001 plans, to be a marine park that would, notably, include HK’s signature Pink Dolphin;
          – have a very high commercial fishing value;
          – have a high natural heritage value and marine recreational value.
          – are close to other islands in China’s waters that are already seriously spoiled (see Google Earth at 22¢X07’North; 113¢X53’East). In ‘one country’, the use of one of these should not be insuperable. Exxon/CLP have not pursued this idea seriously, presumably because it would not be eligible for subsidy by Hong Kong consumers under the Scheme of Control.

          Conclusions

          £U Pollution levels will be drastically reduced by the introduction of FGD. Increasing the minority generation that uses gas will not make a marked difference. Only a complete long-term move away from coal will significantly reduce levels below those achieved with FGD.
          £U Referring to the supply of LNG that is needed, a LNG receiving terminal in Hong Kong is not necessary – LNG will be available from China following the example set by HK Electric;
          £U it must be concluded, therefore, that the purpose of such a terminal is part of the global growth of the sale of LNG by ExxonMobil
          £U Hong Kong is chosen because of the favourable terms granted to CAPCo under the SoC wich, notably, will oblige CLP consumers to pay for the HK$8Bn terminal;
          £U it has nothing, whatever, to do with ‘blue skies’;
          £U it will create a vertically integrated power monopoly that can never be broken in the future;
          £U the scheme is all the more reprehensible because it will destroy part of our natural heritage.

          The Way ahead

          – CAPCo should be refused a HK terminal
          – CAPCo will be then obliged to seek alternatives which may include:-
          £U negotiating with CNOOC for extended gas supplies from Yacheng;
          £U securing gas supplies from Sinopec¡¦s Zhuhai Terminal;
          £U securing gas supplies from Shenzhen¡¦s Dapeng Terminal.
          – should there be, in actual practice, (this is highly debatable) a transitional period of reduced gas supply from Yacheng, the resulting reduction in generation capacity at BPPS might be accommodated by reducing generation demand through:-
          £U temporarily suspending sales to China (now 18% of CAPCo¡¦s output);
          £U temporarily purchasing power from China (China Power International Development stands ready to deliver);
          £U demand-side savings initiatives.
          – In any case, introduction of FGD greatly reduces the urgency for a transition to more LNG.

          Living Islands Movement May 2007

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          Frequently shrouded by a polluted haze, two small islands on the edge of Hong Kong¡¦s territorial waters are at the epicentre of an unusual environmental debate.

          At issue is the ecological cost Hong Kong is prepared to pay to clean up its filthy air.

          Hong Kong environmentalists object to a project they believe would spoil an ecologically valuable area. The Sokos¡¦ surrounding waters are rich in marine life and a breeding ground for both rare pink dolphins and finless porpoises ¡V the only two marine mammals that manage to tolerate Hong Kong¡¦s dirty and heavily trafficked waterways.

          ¡§Having the [LNG] terminal and burning more gas instead of coal will improve Hong Kong¡¦s air pollution. But the central question is whether they need to step into this ecologically sensitive area,¡¨ says Hung Wing-tat, director of green group Conservancy Association.

          The terminal, CLP also argues, will be built on already scarred land: the abandoned concrete platform where the detention centre that housed thousands of Vietnamese boat people once stood.

          Conservationists, however, are not convinced. ¡§The effect on Hong Kong will be to destroy a part of our dwindling ecological heritage,¡¨ says the Living Islands Movement, a lobby group that argues CLP should instead source its gas from terminals across the border in Guangdong.

          Making the project even more controversial is the need to lay a 38km underwater pipeline linking the terminal to CLP and ExxonMobil¡¦s 2,500MW Black Point power plant. Environmentalists contend the necessary dredging work will threaten the area¡¦s dolphins and porpoises, which breed each autumn and spring respectively.

          ¡§The pipes are at absolutely the worst place they could be for the dolphins,¡¨ says Janet Walker, a senior guide at Hong Kong DolphinWatch, which organises nature tours.

          CLP¡¦s environmental permit bans dredging during the breeding seasons. Work would also have to halt temporarily every time a pink dolphin or porpoise was spied within 250m of a dredger, and the company has promised to establish two marine parks ¡V a plan the government proposed in 2002 but never implemented.

          Gas terminal threatens HK dolphins

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          匏名

            ahah, you wrote a good one.

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